Printed Circuit Board Assembly & PCB Design Forum

SMT electronics assembly manufacturing forum.

SMTnet
»
Electronics Forum
»
mydata tp9 vs philips topaz

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz

Subscribe to Thread

im looking to buy a pick and place machine and right now the... - Nov 12, 2007 by chrisruizuci

I have never used a topaz but we are currently running a TP9... - Nov 12, 2007 by dyoungquist

Smallest is 0603 and some 0402 High Mix PCB�s Low Volu... - Nov 12, 2007 by chrisruizuci

A philips Topaz is a good machine, I have accurately placed ... - Nov 12, 2007 by wayne

MyData TP9s Work well in high mix applications because ch... - Nov 12, 2007 by dyoungquist

"Better" means different things to different users. When... - Nov 13, 2007 by Steve Thomas

Steve: In comparing TP9 with Topaz, what consideration did y... - Nov 15, 2007 by davef

Not much, actually, but that was by choice. We use the Quads... - Nov 15, 2007 by Steve Thomas

Hi, I can give my opinion in this topic since I worked wi... - Nov 17, 2007 by Etienne Ellul

It was apparent to me that because he was looking at a Topaz... - Nov 18, 2007 by Steve Thomas

I have very accurately placed 0402's and 0603's with a topaz... - Nov 19, 2007 by wayne

People not knowing how to use them...surely not my case........ - Nov 19, 2007 by Etienne Ellul

Be aware that there is a significant difference between TP9 ... - Nov 19, 2007 by Sr. Tech

... - Nov 19, 2007 by Sr. Tech

I was not trying to imply that you didn't know how to run th... - Nov 19, 2007 by wayne

Whatever you decide to do, make sure the machine you get mee... - Nov 19, 2007 by Steve Thomas

To answer your question: During my experience with Topaz ma... - Nov 21, 2007 by Etienne Ellul

I have some alternatives that match up well spec wise with t... - Nov 28, 2007 by gregp

ET, With due regards to your '7 years experience', I must... - Nov 30, 2007 by Vinit

chrisruizuci

#52459

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 12 November, 2007

im looking to buy a pick and place machine and right now the two that have caught my eye are the Philips Topaz and the Mydata TP9. just tring to figure out which is better?

reply »

dyoungquist

#52470

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 12 November, 2007

I have never used a topaz but we are currently running a TP9. I can give you some feedback on a TP9 machine. Answer a few questions first and then I can tell you if I think the TP9 is a good fit for you.

What size components are you loading? Low or high mix of different circuit boards? Low or high volume? and/or How many componets per hour placement do you need?

reply »

chrisruizuci

#52473

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 12 November, 2007

Smallest is 0603 and some 0402

High Mix PCB�s

Low Volume

reply »

wayne

#52474

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 12 November, 2007

A philips Topaz is a good machine, I have accurately placed 0402's without a problem, Fine pitch QFP no problem, BGA's not a problem, I am not familiar with the TP9 so hopefully the other guy can answere questions on that, The Topaz is rated at about 11,500 components an hour but that would be an Ideal situation every feeder picking at 100% run speed and never switching nozzles, These machines are fast though. I have ran them for about 7 years and I like them. Assembleon has GREAT customer service and can walk you through just about any problem which you may encounter. GOOD LUCK.

reply »

dyoungquist

#52480

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 12 November, 2007

MyData TP9s

Work well in high mix applications because change over time from 1 job to the next can be done in as little as 15 minutes if you have the right mix of magazines/feeders.

Component placement rates vary depending on which component you are placing but run in the 1500-3000 cph range.

We are having good sucess placing 0402s and fine pitch QFPs with our machine. However, a good maintenance routine is necessary to keep it working well with these.

Customer support has been very good but the TP series is no longer in production. They are continuing to support it with all replacement parts still available as of now.

Overall I highly recommend MyData products but I may be a little biased because I have never used pick-n-place equipment from any other vendor.

reply »

Steve Thomas

#52494

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 13 November, 2007

"Better" means different things to different users.

When we decided to upgrade I thought about a TP9 too but frankly it couldn't do much more than the Quads we already had. It just did it with a bigger footprint. We got a Topaz because we needed higher throughput with as good as or better accuracy and capability than we already had.

reply »

davef

#52526

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 15 November, 2007

Steve: In comparing TP9 with Topaz, what consideration did you give to tear-down / set-up time?

reply »

Steve Thomas

#52530

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 15 November, 2007

Not much, actually, but that was by choice. We use the Quads for short runs and when we want to get set up and torn down quickly.

The Topaz was purchased specifically to give us the ability to get through our larger, regular jobs faster than we can on the Quads (by a factor of 4 or so). The one job that is currently our largest in terms of batch size and component count is run every two weeks, and we leave one FES cart set up for it. We also are seeing a quality improvement (and less time spent bumping) on boards coming out of the Topaz.

reply »

Etienne Ellul

#52557

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 17 November, 2007

Hi,

I can give my opinion in this topic since I worked with both machines. To say the truth, I would recommend neither machine. First of all, operating software is much quite the same for both machines. The TP9 is true that has a larger footprint over the Topaz and is slightly slower in placement rate. Actual placement rate (maximum) for both machines is: TP9 4000cph (Single head) Topaz 7000cph (Optimised) believe me(8 Heads).

Then there is the Sony SI-F130 which place 0402 and 0603 very accurate and at an actual placement rate of 14000cph. Fortunately I have worked with several SMT Machinery and had to decide on what equipment to be bought for such components, I would opt for the Sony. They would be pleased to lease you a machine for your trials like they did with us. After all that is why I am recommending them as they prooved excellent in their support.

reply »

Steve Thomas

#52562

mydata tp9 vs philips topaz | 18 November, 2007

It was apparent to me that because he was looking at a Topaz, not a Topaz X, and a TP, not a My9, that he's looking at older used machines. Is there a used Sony in a similar price range to the other two that will outperform them?

reply »

wayne

#52570