Faster Than Lightning!

Depending on what you are doing, feeder cost usually outweighs the price of the pick and place machines.

I have worked with almost all of the Fuji CP turret machines. I haven't touched any of the new stuff but I have seen it in person and it is impressive.

There are some limitations with turret style machines.Parts size and how fast you can rotate the turret without effecting placement.

If you want a tank that will smoke down parts for cheap, go find yourself a CP642. Not CP643. 643's have a pain in the butt board loading system.

I just scrapped a CP643 with low hours. I couldn't give it away, so keep that in mind when talking to the snakes. I would say 15-20K tops with a feeder assortment and machine in excellent condition.

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All these generalizations are non sense.

What real cph you will receive depend on many factors:

- paths optimization - what number of feeders are used - what number of nozzle changes has your job - how fast is the recognition for small and big parts and how many of these you have in your job - libraries - how fast you can change your feeders

etc. etc.

This is why these phony ISO ratings are made, they show what is the maxmum rate you will theoretically achieve.

It's like the car gas MPG consumption quotes - they quote it for lightest car from this model, with special tyres, no load and 50 kg driver. You will never get close to these MPG rates when you drive same car daily.

ISO will not give you real CPHs, but at least give you base for kind-of comparison, also each machine has technical sheet where recognition speed for different parts are written i.e. BGA etc. so you can do your math also.

The achievable CPH depends very much of your knowledge of how machine works and how to optimize the job. It doesn't happen with the default machine settings, and in most of the cases these default "optimizers" are not optimal.

On some jobs you could achieve up to 70% of the quoted speed (like matrix LED lighting where you have lot of small LEDs to be placed on the boards). On other jobs you may not be able to achieve even 40% of the quoted ISO speed (big precise components which require slow motion of the head).

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All manufactures ratings on machines are way over blown. I am not shilling for Hanwha we have there equipment it runs good our SM471 averages 36k to 42k. there is so much that goes into how fast a machine runs such as board design type of parts, panel size etc. We have other equipment none of it run close to the Manufacture specs. one of our machines runs about 20 % faster than the Hanwha. But at the end of the month the Hanwha/samsung places more parts. because the faster machine has more down time for maintenance & break downs. Also the faster machine take a lot longer to train operators. I have learned the hard way that just looking at speed rating for any machine does not come close to telling the whole story.

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If the setup is not huge, I would say get the ASM. They have great setup optimizer. You can have multiple reels if the same parts on the setup and have all the setup in front of the machine, so your operator don't have to circle around all the time. Very reliable and intelligent as well. Based on the speed that you need, ASM can go crazy with dial gantry and 20 nozzle turret heads - I think they can install 4 independent heads into one machine. Quite, low maintenance, great intelligent feeder quality. Plus will give you flexibility in future if you need it.

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