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Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller

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#84617

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 5 March, 2020

I am desperate. I have an 80S15 with a single line controller that we program with and control our 80S15 machine. Everything has been working great until last month. We have not done any changes, and no new programs or jobs. We went to start the PC and machine and have a problem.

The line controller PC works great if we do not have the 80S15 turned on. We can pull up and look at anything and everything.

As soon as we turn on the 80S15 the line controller will freeze up. We can click on anything and it will open a new window, but nothing will be displayed, and jobs started do not send, and you can not cancel, stop or do anything except close the window. We have to reboot the system, and if the machine is on, the PC will not fully load the line controller software, the software will not display the equipment. If we shut down the 80S15 and reboot the PC works again.

When the 80S15 is booted, even with PC on it ask "with or without line" if we say with line it just shows "waiting on line controller".

Any advice?

We are a small company and have no funds to upgrade our machine and it has been down for over a month.

Any help you can give me is more than appreciated.

Thank in advance. Katrina

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#84619

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 5 March, 2020

My advice for what it is worth.

Your description of the problem at first glance suggests a communication problem, now is it the bus, the SMT machine or the PC. The bus could have a short or an open. The PC could have a dud controller card. or so could the SMT machine. Or and this is the forth possibility something could be happening in the SMT machine, like a component stuck in a head or on a rail, in a bearing, which the machine picks up as an error, which then leads to a weird failure.

Remember, not all error messages on a machine reflect root causes correctly!

Or just call a tech from Siemens

sarason

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#84632

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 9 March, 2020

I used to work with S15/F3, was a 10 years ago.

1. Test your machine controllers and station controllers. Load the last program with actuell command. 2. You can check what happening in the SiPlace, switch the monitor to MC, let see all bootup perfectly. 3. Shutdown everything, SiPlace (both machine controllers MC, station controllers SC/Pac) and Linie Controller too (SR or LR). Unplug bus cable, clean them (cable connection and PCB connector too), reconnect LC and Siplaces. Start LC, bootup until everything load up (LGU, etc), after that bootup your Siplaces. In the past I had a lot trouble with synch between LC, Siplaces if the LC wasn't bootup, softwares loaded properly 4. If you haven't success, check cable again, measure for short or cut. Load LC again, after that Siplaces. 5. Check the communication board in your LC.

I have the Unix software training document, if you are interested ask me in email.

Good luck!

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#84634

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 9 March, 2020

Hello Kristof, We use 1 PC which does line control and programming. We always boot the PC up first, then when it is fully booted, then we turn the machine on, we let it zero set, then we send the job over (this is how we do it when everything works).

I have a second PC, but it doesn't have the software loaded for Line Control, so I couldn't check to see if that fixed things. We tried copying everything for our LC to diskette but for some reason it would not load everything on the 2nd PC. I have the diskettes I can install on the 2nd machine, but it does not have a tape drive. Do you think a format and reinstall would fix this. Also does your guide explain how to format a Unix PC?

I just ordered a new cable, although this one seems fine.

The only other card we have is from an older machine, and it didn't seem to fix the problem either.

I do not have your email address, mine is trina@sportsradargun.com I would love to receive the training document if you could send it to me.

Thank you Katrina Hamby

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#84635

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 9 March, 2020

Sadly, without line controller software you won't be able to load jobs to your machines. Check your mails later.

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#84636

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 9 March, 2020

Hello Sarason, Unfortunately the machine is no longer supported and we are such a small company we can not afford to replace this machine. Thank you for your advise, I will check for additional parts stuck in the machine (long shot but worth the time). Have a great day! Katrina

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#84637

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 9 March, 2020

We have the software and our PC has been running the machine for approx 10 years. I just don't know why all of a sudden it decided to have this problem. :(

Also I have the software if you think I can reinstall from the diskettes.

Will check, and again thank you. Katrina

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#84642

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 11 March, 2020

Here is a few pictures. IMG_20200311_151400 shows the screen on the LC everything is fully booted on the LC before the machine is turned on.

IMG_20200311_151350 shows the Siplace 80S15 waiting on LC

IMG_20200311_151320 this screen is displayed when you press the F2 key on the keyboard

IMG_20200311_151331 this screen is displayed when you press the F3 key on the keyboard

Hopefully this will help someone help me. Thank you Katrina

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#84652

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 16 March, 2020

Katrina,

it is one of both: 1. Communication error - try to initialize machine with line controller OFF. This should tell you if machine can initialize on its own and if the problem is on the machine. Try without the feeder carts, look at the cards in the machine to see if any card indicates error or red light. Check all cables, replug them bend them, measure them, replace them. 2. Software/PC issue - you will have no choice but to purchase software/machine or station or may be new PC or PC parts for machine or station.I would start with network cards.

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#84653

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 16 March, 2020

Thank you for your reply. So the machine should preform a zero set without the line controller being turned ON? I never tried starting the machine first so I am unfamiliar with this. Thank you again. This community is great. Sincerely, Katrina

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#84656

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 17 March, 2020

You should be able to operate/troubleshoot machine on its own. Not sure if you have to switch some key on the back to change the mode, or it will initialize on its own using the last program that has been loaded....it's been awhile. Line computer down will not let you load anything new.

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#84658

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 17 March, 2020

With LC off, the machine when told "Without LC" will zero set. It displays Error 746. After zero set, turn LC on, and it hangs up.

Error 746 is IEC blocked, solutions Reboot machine and PC. And we know, rebooting isn't getting me anywhere.

What card is the IEC located on? Also there are no Red Lights displaying.

Tried with the key in both positions, it didn't change anything.

I have a slightly older machine that I would swap cards out if I knew which ones to change. Thank you Katrina

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#84661

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 18 March, 2020

Katrina,

if the machine will zero on its own, there is nothing wrong with machine itself. You can now look into network cards in both line computer and line PC.

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#84662

Siemens Siplace 80S15 causing Line Controller to hang up, and 80S15 keeps waiting for machine data from Line controller | 18 March, 2020

I have replaced both cards on the machine and the card in the PC. I have also replaced the cable.

I can see where the machine is sending the request for data (by the screen shoots above). And I can see the PC is seeing something from the machine by the fact the PC freezes up when the machine is turned on.

I'm really stumped. I don't know if there is a software glitch, that changed the IEC address. i don't know how to look on the machine to see what the machine says it is. Could it be a time stamp difference, and if so, how would I change the machine time?

Thank you for following and trying to help. Katrina

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