Printed Circuit Board Assembly & PCB Design Forum

SMT electronics assembly manufacturing forum.

SMTnet
»
Electronics Forum
»
Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues

Subscribe to Thread

Hello all, I work with a company which runs a fairly smal... - Jan 29, 2006 by Daxman

Hi Dax you want to run a cal card with good cad data on all ... - Jan 29, 2006 by JOHNW

Export CCIMF files for both scenario's and have Fuji America... - Jan 30, 2006 by

Thanks for the reply fellas, I spent all day today workin... - Jan 30, 2006 by Daxman

Send the CCIMF files to Fuji America to review. Need to make... - Jan 30, 2006 by

i would agree with taking a closer look at the fiducials. I... - Jan 31, 2006 by aj

Hi Dax drop me a mail and I will help you out my friend its ... - Feb 07, 2006 by

Band Aide Quick Fix to get you running - Change x-value for ... - Feb 07, 2006 by PWH

hello guys....... it seems to our team that your problem mo... - Feb 08, 2006 by crashoveride

Great idea... thanks... I've just looked at our CP4 today, ... - Apr 05, 2006 by Daxman

check placement XO/YO and mark read position using fuji boar... - Apr 06, 2006 by vikkaraja

Daxman

#39365

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 29 January, 2006

Hello all,

I work with a company which runs a fairly small SMT department. For now, we have a "main" line consisting of a Fuji CP6-45, and a Fuji IP3, and a proto line which uses a Fuji CP4. We also use Fuji Flexa programming software. The issues we are having are as follows. If we use the main line for a product, the placing accuracy for parts is excellent. Also, if we run a product on the proto line, the CP4 placement is excellent. The issue is when we try to split the parts for one product onto both the CP4 and the CP6. To decrease cycle times, we've tried using both of the fuji machines, but the CP4 placement is always off. To be specific, its about .3mm off in the -X direction. Yet, when a program is transmitted and only the CP4 is used, placement is quite good. I've never encountered this issue before, and I'm really hoping someone out there would know why this is happening.

reply »

JOHNW

#39366

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 29 January, 2006

Hi Dax you want to run a cal card with good cad data on all machines then take the results and then alter the placement xy data to pull all machines into calibration. But make sure all the cameras are calibrated and the pam results are good and within spec

john

reply »

____

#39374

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 30 January, 2006

Export CCIMF files for both scenario's and have Fuji America look to see if there is an actual programming offset problem. To be exactly .3mm off seems a little odd.

reply »

Daxman

#39376

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 30 January, 2006

Thanks for the reply fellas,

I spent all day today working on these machines, and indeed, this is bizzare. The main line was in production, and the placement was excellent on the CP6. I transferred a reel (400 parts per board) to the CP4 and the placement was terrible. The parts seemed to be centered alright in the middle of the board, and got progressively worse to the edges. Transfered back to the CP6 and it was fine. This is using the same fiducial and part coordinates. I also tried a Fuji test board and divied the parts to both the CP4 and CP6, and it was great. This is the only program, and board, that has any consistency between machines. I truly dont get it.

reply »

____

#39385

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 30 January, 2006

Send the CCIMF files to Fuji America to review. Need to make sure that the MainMark and SubMark are the same for each machine output program/ref.des.

(847) 821-2401

reply »

#39391

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 31 January, 2006

i would agree with taking a closer look at the fiducials. I have the same line config. here but have to say that I have never experienced any conflict between machines.

One thing I have seen before is when we ran a particular product on the machine every now and then the placement would be off , not neccesarily on all the components. Turned out that the fiducial locations were altered individually overtime to correct certain issues.

If you have gerber or the original fiducial data check the data you have in the current program. Make sure the distance between both fiducials corresponds also.

Let us know how you get on ..

reply »

johnw

#39553

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 7 February, 2006

Hi Dax drop me a mail and I will help you out my friend its not as difficult as you think

reply »

PWH

#39557

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 7 February, 2006

Band Aide Quick Fix to get you running - Change x-value for all global fiducials in your program the exact same amount as the x-offset you are experiencing on your bad machine. Likely, if (0,0) is front-left, you should move all global fids 0.3mm the same direction as the offset you are seeing. Might have to make the search box for fiducials larger when you do this. As stated by others, sounds like a calibration thing.

reply »

crashoveride

#39588

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 8 February, 2006

hello guys....... it seems to our team that your problem most likely originated to the board origin. seems to us that the two machines have diffrent settings. as what you've said, offsets on placements only happened when transmitting a program at both machines.... they might have different board origins. try to look at that thing....

reply »

Daxman

#40847

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 5 April, 2006

Great idea... thanks... I've just looked at our CP4 today, and can't for the life of me figure out how to set the board origin. I can't find any mention of it in our maintenance or operator manuals. Anyone out there know how to do this?

reply »

vikkaraja

#40858

Fuji CP4&CP6 Placement issues | 6 April, 2006

check placement XO/YO and mark read position using fuji board.

reply »