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Running with sn100c in my solder pot!

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On Saturday the 3rd, I offloaded nearly 1200 pounds of solde... - Jun 08, 2006 by jbrower

Hi, That's good news, and we did outs with SN100C as well... - Jun 08, 2006 by Grant

hi, gald to hear that yr process is working well.....we are ... - Jun 09, 2006 by Amol Kane

Howdy Amol, As far as I can see, there aren't too many pitf... - Jun 09, 2006 by jbrower

thanks Jay, ... - Jun 12, 2006 by Amol Kane

Glad to hear it is running good for you. I have my new wave ... - Jun 23, 2006 by Paul

Hi Paul, Can't find any info on Cobalt 995,but we do have... - Jun 23, 2006 by Rob

Jay---- Please contact me if you are interested in the ne... - Jun 26, 2006 by SMT Guru Consultant Expert

I contacted you about this stuff, where is the info? ... - Jun 26, 2006 by RDR

I also sent him an e-mail a week ago and have not received a... - Jun 26, 2006 by jdengler

Look here you dime store cowboy. Why in the heck would I ev... - Jun 26, 2006 by jbrower

Hi, How come so many good threads get off track because o... - Jun 27, 2006 by Grant

I tried some SN100C from AIM... On only one array. It flowe... - Jun 27, 2006 by

How does SN100C perform using Selective Pallets? We switc... - Jun 27, 2006 by

Isn't Initech, Inc from the movie "Office Space"? I thin... - Jun 27, 2006 by

Aj, Did you switch from SN100C to the SACX? Russ ... - Jun 27, 2006 by RDR

No. We went straight from Lead Alloy to SACX. aj... ... - Jun 27, 2006 by

Hi, Do you mean selective palettes in the wave? We are ru... - Jun 27, 2006 by Grant

Grant, Haven't doen any work with the SN100C paste, the pro... - Jun 30, 2006 by johnwnz

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 8 June, 2006

On Saturday the 3rd, I offloaded nearly 1200 pounds of solder from my Electrovert, did the tin purge and loaded nearly 1200 pounds of sn100c back into my solder pot. It was a hell of a job, but we got it done in 8 hours. We've been running with this alloy for four days now and I'll just have to admit that it rocks! Here's why. I'm running the pot temp at 490F about 10F over where I was and I havent changed the base profiles much on our circuit boards. This stuff drosses very little and I haven't added any solder since monday. All in all I am very pleased with its performance. Additionally we are running damn close to no solder bridging on our assemblies. Just thought I'de share the good news. Jay

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 8 June, 2006

Hi,

That's good news, and we did outs with SN100C as well on Wed, however we are still working hard on getting a good profile.

We have some large BNC connectors, and they are hard to profile. We also have wave palettes, and these might be too thick, and causing variability, due to the temperature of them when they are loaded.

We are working on it now, and I am glad yours is working well!

Regards,

Grant

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 9 June, 2006

hi, gald to hear that yr process is working well.....we are in the process of buying a wave with SN100C solder.....any pitfalls/precautions that you took during the transition?

did you do any DOE for setting up the profile values??

are you seeing any hot tears (microcracks, especially in the bottom side fillets

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 9 June, 2006

Howdy Amol, As far as I can see, there aren't too many pitfalls with SN100C. Just make sure to keep all of your alloys seperated. The issues that I am working out right now is the profiles with our wave pallets and some of our larger components. We are using Kester 920CFX flux, this is an older alcohol based flux and has worked well for us. My solder pot is at 490F so that is only 10F over where we were with Lead. Regarding wave solder plallets, we've seen that SN100C seems to have a different surface tension and doesn't flow into some of the pockets as well. We're sitting down now and determining how we need to modify our pallets and or circuit boards to deal with this. Encouraging though is the fact that I am getting near defect free assemblies across my wave. As far as profile values that is dependent on our flux, pretty much the same profiles, a little tweak here and there, but I did the measurements and did the math to get a really nice delt across both pre heats and my wave. I'm happy with the results. I'm not seeing any microcracks or hot tearing on our boards, We're using an FR4 tg170 circuit board with an ENIG finish and this is proving to be a geat combo all around for our assemblies. Best regards, Jay Brower

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 12 June, 2006

thanks Jay,

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 23 June, 2006

Glad to hear it is running good for you. I have my new wave solder machine in house.(hooking it up next week). I am debating between Sn100 and Cobalt 995 (metallic resources). Does anybody have an experience with the Cobalt. Or a reason not to go with it?

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 23 June, 2006

Hi Paul,

Can't find any info on Cobalt 995,but we do have experience of 99/0.7/0.3 +0.02% Cobalt wire - flows better than any leadfree wire we've come across & the cobalt is supposed to improve tip life. Bit smokey though, but with extraction that's not really a problem.

I'm guessing the cobalt is working to stop the tin corrosion as in the SN100C - Nickel & Cobalt are right next to each other on the table, but I'm willing to be proved wrong.

Let me know how you get on, or if you find out any further info.

Cheers,

Rob.

SMT Guru Consultant Expert

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 26 June, 2006

Jay----

Please contact me if you are interested in the new alloy that my firm, WCS, inc. has invented. Bahodim (TM) solder is successfully being used by a startup in Florida, Initech, inc.

Bahodium has out-performed SAC, Tin-Lead and SN100 in reliability testing. Please contact me for more info.

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 26 June, 2006

I contacted you about this stuff, where is the info?

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 26 June, 2006

I also sent him an e-mail a week ago and have not received an answer.

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 26 June, 2006

Look here you dime store cowboy. Why in the heck would I ever contact you. You've done nothing, nor have you even proven that you are legit. Stop wasting bits on this forumn and either pony up with some useful information or go away. Jay

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 27 June, 2006

Hi,

How come so many good threads get off track because of this Guru fool.

To get back on track, we have been running SN100C in our pot for a few weeks now, and it's incredible, and working really well. Glad I listened to the advise of people on the forum here and went for it, as it's been a good choice. Nice shiny appearance, and flows well.

Some SN100C solder paste would be nice to try, and has anyone found any and had some experience using it?

Regards,

Grant

cuculi54986@yahoo.com

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 27 June, 2006

I tried some SN100C from AIM... On only one array. It flowed well on the chips but did not like the finish on the SOT23's on the board. I did not have enough arrays to mess around, so we switched it over to SAC305 and had no issues. I'm guessing with some oven recipe adjustment it would have wetted well.

In the very near future we'll be running some boards using a SnCuCo paste. I haven't seen anything in the forums about SnCuCo, but it's properties are very similar to SN100C (SnCuNi).

We're running SnCuCo in our Pb-free wave and our Wave Master Chris is very happy with it.

aj

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 27 June, 2006

How does SN100C perform using Selective Pallets?

We switched over to SACX about 5 weeks ago and the results are brilliant.

We are getting better results than before believe it or not.

Also dross foramtion is a lot less.

aj...

PWH

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 27 June, 2006

Isn't Initech, Inc from the movie "Office Space"? I think that gets a "TM", not Bahodim. Not a start-up company, either. That movie has been around a few years.

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 27 June, 2006

Aj, Did you switch from SN100C to the SACX?

Russ

aj

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 27 June, 2006

No.

We went straight from Lead Alloy to SACX.

aj...

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 27 June, 2006

Hi,

Do you mean selective palettes in the wave? We are running those, and it makes the process window tight, but once we got there, it's great. Pre heating the board was a bit difficult, but we got it right, and went for a water based flux. Not sure if that's the right thing to do, but it's working right now.

Grant

Running with sn100c in my solder pot! | 30 June, 2006

Grant, Haven't doen any work with the SN100C paste, the problem I guess is yoru subject to the suppliers flux base so if that is poor then the alloy may not perform as well as it could. We've found Avantec to be pretty good at SMT but have got SN100C at wave and found it to be very good although have seen some problems with the solder staying on the base of the pallets in a webbing form, we thought flux was the issue so testing out other fluxes, what are people using? I have also tried and loved the SN100C wire provided by Nehon, it beat the other 7 wires we tested hands down and solders 97% of stuff at the same temps as our leaded wire. J

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